The great Epstein unravelling

[mister_coffee]

I'm having a big problem with how the media is talking about the latest releases about Epstein. It seems to me that this whole scandal has exposed both a profound moral and intellectual rot at the heart of our society.

At the root of this, I've noticed that many people reporting on this mess emphasize, in one set of phrases or another, that there is "no evidence" that Donald Trump performed sexual acts with young girls. While on one level technically true, it ignores Mr. Trump's long history of actions and public statements that demonstrate conclusively that he is a creep and a pervert. And further there are zero examples in his well-documented history where if presented with an opportunity where he thought he could get away with something he refrained for reasons of conscience or basic decency.

It also ignores that it isn't clear what "evidence" would look like that would satisfy these people. I suspect that if even worse revelations come out (and I think they will) the goalposts will be conveniently moved again and again.

What really had me projectile vomiting though, was Megyn Kelly's latest podcast where she argued, basically that it wasn't really pedophilia becuase the victims were teenagers. And that when these children "aged out" and no longer interested Mr. Epstein they were "passed on" to his friends and associates, which wasn't technically illegal. I really don't know what to make of such an argument except that Ms. Kelly is a real piece of garbage if she actually believes that. I, for one, hope she was paid handsomely for that filth and only did it for the money. Which is appalling but still less appalling than actually believing the words that came from her mouth.

At the core, the question that will always bother me is that even hard-core convicted criminals know to shun child molesters. How could an (apparently) large body of wealthy and powerful men think it was a good idea to associate with one?

[mister_coffee]

[mister_coffee]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or someone who can play 7-dimensional chess to figure out what really happened here.

[just-jim]

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25 women who have accused Trump of rape, sexual assault or harassment
https://scontent-sea5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=691B0833

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New releases from both Dems & Republicans as well as journalist Michael Wolff today
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politi ... 85568.html

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The Epstein estate has been releasing documents, including emails to the Congressional committee, the latest drop includes an itinerary showing that Epstein planned on a gathering on his Caribbean island with Musk, Thiel and Bannon.
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=68DCC206

[just-jim]

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JUST today!

A new Statue on the National Mall!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ein-statue
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[pasayten]

I hope all who did wrong to those girls are held accountable, Trump, Clinton, bankers, politicians, celebrities whatever.

Ken…. This I can totally agree with you on!!!

[dorankj]

That's barely a tenth of what's spewed here regularly and you question no one but me Ray, just fitting in with conduct in this cesspool. Your 'answers' are sh**, maybe there actually is some sort of additional harm that would come to victims and prosecutions that would be ruined just like we've been told. THAT would explain it too, I hope all who did wrong to those girls are held accountable, Trump, Clinton, bankers, politicians, celebrities whatever.

[just-jim]

My my Ken... Such complimentary names for females... Hmmm... You do have a wife and daughter, right?

It’s only a problem when someone else uses language like that. THEN it is divisive, unpatriotic or hateful.

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That's a stretch even for you Ken, but I suppose your desire to make it all Biden's fault overpowers even the most obvious of reasons. Biden faced the job of correcting the damage done by Trump's pandemic and an economic slump as well as the DoJ investigation of the J6 insurrectionists. Unlike Trump, Biden focused on building the Country not taking revenge on his political enemies.

[pasayten]

I figure the Biden administration didn't release the Epstein files as Bill Clinton was most likely in them. The difference is that trump/administraion promised to release them. Another lie as usual for them.

[pasayten]

Trump's been back in office for 9 mos, why oh why didn't Dementia Joe release all this overwhelming evidence when he was there for 4 YEARS?! Wouldn't it have helped Kamel toe in the election?

My my Ken... Such complimentary names for females... Hmmm... You do have a wife and daughter, right?

[dorankj]

Trump's been back in office for 9 mos, why oh why didn't Dementia Joe release all this overwhelming evidence when he was there for 4 YEARS?! Wouldn't it have helped Kamel toe in the election?

[just-jim]

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https://theonion.com/trump-spends-entir ... drew-from/
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[pasayten]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15xyWe ... tid=wwXIfr

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https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=68C95683

[mister_coffee]

As someone observed a long time ago, sometimes there is a human element and a stupid element involved.

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One might think that the inner circle enjoyed the secret because not only was it satisfying (and yes the gang may have aged out but as the law is clear, it views pedophiles as pretty much incurable) but this elite gang convinced themselves that they were untouchable. And of course the money transacted was nothing to sneeze at as well.

[PAL]

Would it be because....he was charming?

[mister_coffee]

Just asking a question here.

From the "Birthday Book" it is obvious that most of Epstein's friends knew all about what he was doing. So it does raise the question of why so many powerful, wealthy, and presumably intelligent people thought it was okay to pal around with a pedophile? I mean, even convicts know that pedophiles are bad people and shun them.

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The WSJ has gotten the Epstein/Maxwell yahoo email account

"Epstein’s personal Yahoo account was turned over to Bloomberg News, including hundreds of previously unreported emails.
'...hundreds of emails from Epstein’s personal Yahoo account, which haven’t been previously reported, shed new light on Maxwell’s partnership with Epstein. They also contribute to longstanding questions about her credibility, including her truthfulness in a two-day interview she had with officials from the Department of Justice this summer. (Maxwell is serving a 20-year prison sentence after a jury found in 2021 that she recruited and groomed women for Epstein to sexually abuse.)
The emails, part of a cache of more than 18,000 obtained by Bloomberg News, show that Maxwell and Epstein were closer, in many respects, than either publicly admitted. Maxwell opened at least one foreign bank account using one of his addresses, was a named director on one of Epstein’s main revenue-generating companies and traded stock in a company they were both invested in, details that haven’t been previously reported. The pair discussed undergoing a shared fertility procedure, long after Maxwell claims she largely disassociated from him. They corresponded about discrediting women who raised allegations against them, including in one exchange where Maxwell said she planned to circulate compromising information on one of Epstein’s sexual-abuse victims.
...The emails include a spreadsheet itemizing nearly 2,000 gifts, luxury items and payments totaling $1.8 million, with notations indicating they were intended for Epstein’s friends, business associates and victims. The spreadsheet, which was created by one of Epstein’s accountants, includes a $35,000 watch that was earmarked for a former Bill Clinton aide; a $71,000 purchase at a Lexus dealership for one of Epstein’s lawyers; and other items, such as lingerie and chocolates, some for teenage girls who later lodged sexual abuse complaints against Epstein and Maxwell. The spreadsheet indicates that Maxwell helped Epstein arrange many of the items...
...the emails demonstrate her deep knowledge of the legal jeopardy he faced and show how she helped him strategize over even the most consequential details.
“Question,” Epstein wrote to Maxwell on May 23, 2008. “Which one do you prefer,,, lewd and lscivious conduct ,, or procuring minors for prostituion.”'
A month later Epstein pleaded guilty to two Florida state charges: felony solicitation of prostitution and procurement of minors to engage in prostitution. He also registered as a sex offender.'
https://www.bloomberg.com/.../2025-jeffrey-epstein.../

[mister_coffee]

The World Just Watched Nancy Mace Find Out There Are No Refunds When You Sell Your Soul

https://medium.com/the-polis/the-world- ... 44dae97626