There is some kind of mandate for Wa. state by 2035. Google Inslee and Wa state in this regard. I don't remember the details.
On mining what people are ignoring is who is doing the mining, regardless of whether or not no new mines are needed. Here's a link that is quite informative. Don't look at human rights. It's easier not to.
https://www.business-humanrights.org/en ... -vehicles/
Of course, with mining in the US, we would never abuse children.
And Jingles, I got you wrong there on the mine. Oh yes, the Valley is growing and changing and not necessarily for the better. By that I mean, we better take a look at water and if there will be enough for the projected growth. Sewer capacity, etc.
Jingle, humans have had an impact on climate change. Methane from cattle and pig lots. We raise 'em, they produce alot of gas. When I said that yes, Nature does do her thing and will keep doing it, but lately or maybe for a long time she's had help. We can't help it that we are here. We should be here, but not billions and billions of us. That's what I mean by carrying capacity of the earth, Ken.
Also, technology will not save us. Here is a book, Techno Fix by Joyce Huesemann. There are many others on the subject as well as EV's.
Yes, David what you say is true, but those are the key words, "fast enough". And yes, it is step by step. Using fossil fuels to get to the next step.
Can anyone answer about tires and the manufacture of them? Is there a cleaner way to produce them.
I still maintain, we need to cut back on use.
So far this is a good discussion without anyone getting too nasty, but we know it's getting close and why?
But David, your last post is just tool simplistic for me.