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The main point of that slogan is that the reporter tried to change the statement and pretend it said something different, similar to media furthering ‘fake news’. It’s the deeper meaning that makes it so sustainable.
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You do know I am being facetious here? The Brandon thing is not a great slogan, but I turned it around in my mind and am able to laugh about it. Otherwise, I let it infuriate me and that's the intent. Of course, I know there is a serious side to this. But for sanity, I turn them around.
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Hilarious. Oh yes, I do likes me Jamison, after a good ski.
Anyway, voicing our opinions and speaking out is what makes this democracy. Censorship is dangerous. Private businesses, however, as in the MVBB, can censor. Good public service announcements seem to be ok there, as what our County Commissioners are doing each week. But the minute someone expresses an opinion about it, it's yanked.
So, don't patronize those businesses, I guess. I don't post controversial subjects on the MVBB anymore. Just what they want-for sale, looking for, etc. And it's ok. I am not going to get offended if they are censoring me or anyone else. Remember how heated it used to get? I kind of miss Vern.
The problem arises when there is a bunch of misinformation being posted. Now, that happens here, but if we are all thinking analytically, and go by science, we can form an educated opinion and knowledge about the subject. As Ray said, we need to be aware of the misinformation. But someone else will think their info is true, while someone else will think it is not.
The misinformation becomes harmful, because many people will totally believe it and latch onto it. They won't think it through. Whoever their present idol happens to be.
Statistics have shown that a majority of people have the education of a 6th grader. And at that age do they know how to think for themselves and analytically?
Boy, how to make something complicated. Read the book, "The Coddling of the American Mind". It shows what's happening. Simply, better watch what you say or you'll get the shaft.
Thanks for reading. Let's Go Br, br, bran, ah, can't quite do it.
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Gonzo'57 wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:01 pm Pal,

I believe the word you can't quite bring yourself to type is "Brandon". Just trying to help, that's the kind of guy I am. Maybe you could work your way up to it by starting small. For the next week just practice typing: "Bra". When you can do that without trembling or sweating profusely you can then try typing: "don". When you can safely do that without feeling queasy you can steel yourself (a good stiff whiskey helps) and combine the two into: "Brandon". I think the experience will be liberating and life changing. Before you know it, you will be Trolling with the best of us.

To many people are afraid of speaking up and voicing their opinions and that is a very dangerous thing for a democracy. And then there are those that would "cancel" you, (read censorship) if your opinion and beliefs run counter to their own. I believe this is what is occurring on the MVBB and in the editorial section of a certain local newspaper. And that is even more dangerous.

Hmmmm. Combining the two would be "Bradon" the way you're spelling it out.

And the second part, when a private business "cancels" or "censors" someone's speech, seems to me that they are voicing their own opinion and not afraid to do so, ie;

"we don't like your opinion on our forum and or the way you present it, so we're deleting it. Just our opinion."

Or, "we don't want you on our forum because we think you are trolling so your speech is banned here, just our opinion".

The constitution gives them that right to their own (Private business owner) free speech and Government generally can't limit that speech.

So it seems that you would agree with their free speech rights as you just explained, you know, to avoid that danger to democracy thing.
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Pal,

I believe the word you can't quite bring yourself to type is "Brandon". Just trying to help, that's the kind of guy I am. Maybe you could work your way up to it by starting small. For the next week just practice typing: "Bra". When you can do that without trembling or sweating profusely you can then try typing: "don". When you can safely do that without feeling queasy you can steel yourself (a good stiff whiskey helps) and combine the two into: "Brandon". I think the experience will be liberating and life changing. Before you know it, you will be Trolling with the best of us.

To many people are afraid of speaking up and voicing their opinions and that is a very dangerous thing for a democracy. And then there are those that would "cancel" you, (read censorship) if your opinion and beliefs run counter to their own. I believe this is what is occurring on the MVBB and in the editorial section of a certain local newspaper. And that is even more dangerous.
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Well, Gonzo, if you are a troll, then so am I. The last thing I posted on that BB was about the playing field that got vandalized and there were many people concerned about it. LocalSince1994 said it was a witch hunt and it degraded from there. I said it wasn't, that it was vandalism and someone should be charged and I pointed out LocalSince1994 didn't sign their name. I knew when I did that it would be taken off. I think there was one more comment but it was taken down before we could see it.
You may have seen the post. I was being ornery, but not ornery to be banned...yet. I hardly make any comments or post anything that could be controversial and actually any subject can be.
They are doing what they think is best for the community and what they offer. That is why we have this alternative BB and I think overall we are quite civil to each other and maybe respectful. After all I did start laughing whenever Ken started posting, you know, Let's Go...I can't quite write it, even though I can laugh at it.
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Welcome to the club Gonzo! No censorship of subjects and discussion here! Subject areas, offsite links, BB code, and pictures also welcome... :-)
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Greetings to all my fellow banned friends!

I've been banned from the MVBB for the second time! Reason - Trolling, which I find interesting as I had been posting MAYBE three times a month for quite a while. The first time I was banned was because I dared to ask what the advertisers on the MVBB thought of all the folks being banned form the board. Advertisers generally want more people, not less, viewing their paid for advertisements.

Anyway, banned again. I emailed the MVBB and asked for an explanation and have seen nothing from them. It's been at least two weeks. I let them know that I fully support their right, as a privately owned enterprise, to ban anybody they please.

Looking forward to bantering and bickering and sharing opinions and viewpoints with all of my fellow MVBB ostracized brethren.
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Didn't see anything in the methownet BB rules about not posting subjects of local issues and concerns... This seems to be a somewhat new situation. Evidently their revenue from advertising on the BB page is not enough to fund a moderation function/person... Sooo... just remove anything that might cause division or conflict in discussion.
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I think MethowNet are sticking to their metaphor of the traditional "bulletin board." Where posting for-sales, wanteds, losts, and announcements is expected... and where pinning up an essay about the merits of the democratic party, vaccine efficacy, and housing solution debates would be anathema.

And that's ok. I view removing a contentious thread from the BB in the same moral context that I would view taking a political flyer off of my neighborhood's cork board by the mailboxes. It's just not what the thing is up there for.
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A few threads with high drama below, mainly because they are concerning competing public land use and conflict.

I had a thread on TAY called "Snow Bikes coming to a slope near you" that had around 29,000 views. The thread was about the increasing technology of snow machines now making it easy to access historical BC ski terrain.

Another one of my threads on TAY with muli-thousands of views was one about North Cascade Heli-ski corperation breaking the law when it cut up and down a bunch (rhymes with funch) white bark pine trees, which are a federally listed sensitive species, in order to create unauthorized helicopter landing Zones.

These contentious issues draw views but also a shine light on those issues.

I did break one of the rules there at MN BB when speaking out against NCH corporate owner Paul Butler, who allegedly borderline threatened me (police report filed), presumably for my involvement in exposing his law breaking, high Environmental impact, corporation that's turning our formally pristine mountains into Disneyland.

And that's happening all with the blessing and good spin doctoring of our Forest Service.

I thought the issue had local and National political, environmental, and public health significance and was somehow OK to post there.But that BB was in a much-needed transition to ending this type of discussion because it was getting out of hand.


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That sound you will hear is the sound of money.
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pasayten wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:38 am Factoid of the day...

This is the 3rd highest viewed topic on this BB...
Only Wildfires and Tristan are above...

9125 Views! Jeesh
people seem to enjoy drama.
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I got my RADIO stream back up after it being disabled for some time. Hopefully that will get me back into the groove with the christmas mix our programmer has going at the station. I can just crawl back into my little corner and be occupied again.
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Factoid of the day...

This is the 3rd highest viewed topic on this BB...
Only Wildfires and Tristan are above...

9125 Views! Jeesh
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Fun CH wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:42 pm And you say you are banned again. Was the last one temporary?
Previous one said permanent... but I emailed them... They reinstated me if I promised not to post links to my BB and talk about it... Guess the "email me to view deleted content" re-offended them...
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pasayten wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:16 am The Methownet BB is in a smaller frame inside a webpage that has money making advertising on it... They generate revenue from it... You would think they could dedicate some staff time expense for active moderation... ... :-(
yes I agree, that BB is part of their business model so clicks are important.

Don't think they are lazy, most likely can't afford to pay someone to monitor the site. That's why volunteer moderators that don't offer extreme political POVs would be a welcome addition.
pasayten wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:16 pm Jeesh... I am banned again for my reply that said I could be emailed for access to view the deleted affordable housing post.


And you say you are banned again. I guess the last one was temporary? How about this one?
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Jeesh... I am banned again for my reply that said I could be emailed for access to view the deleted affordable housing post. No direct links to this BB or direct mention of it... Just that folks could have access to view the saved deleted content... Most of which was a great discussion of the issue and possible methods of solution that folks spent good time and effort writing...
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I don't know if Todd is banned yet. He doesn't come on that much but it is usually something snarky. The person who attacked me hasn't been banned, but the post was removed. This was a month or so ago. And he has occasionally been on since then.
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pasayten wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:16 am
I have become very disappointed with the current status of the methownet BB as a local resource... :-(
yes their Wildfire coverage this season was full of poor information, poor communication and misinformation. Not what you want during an emergency situation.

I remember one particular rant by Todd of Mazama who didn't seem to like members of the community driving to Mazama seeking fresh air or observing the fire situation.

When I was on the site, he would always come on and trash the discussion until the thread was removed. When that type of derogatory nonsense is allowed for any period of time, it appears to be acceptable behavior and continues.

Is he banned yet?

All I can think of is that type of behavior in a thread generates clicks which benefits their advertising Revenue.
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Pearl, I've been called a troll on a few forums. I'm always sincere when presenting my POV however when a person happens to disagree with that POV often they will become triggered, react emotionally and call me a troll.

On internet forums the word troll is becoming a form of derogatory name-calling.

Its always better when triggered to take a break, see if you're misunderstanding the post and then offer a
constructive counter point if need be. Although, not easy to take that break. (emotional triggering is going to interfere with a persons critical thinking, human factors again).

While it's understandable that MN staff gave a reason for banning Alf, it certainly wasn't respectful of them to call him a troll. They are the ones who aren't moderating the discussion.

Its like, "you're banned, enjoy that knife we just stuck in your back and twisted it."

"And no we're not going to moderate this forum to make sure that doesn't happen again. We're just going to let the discussions get out of control so we can inflict maximum damage before we ban you."
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The Methownet BB is in a smaller frame inside a webpage that has money making advertising on it... They generate revenue from it... You would think they could dedicate some staff time expense for active moderation... The hosting costs are minimal which I can testify to... As we both use the same free software (phpbb)... Methownet has also turned off most of the cool features of the software like pictures and offsite links... Also the formatting features... I use Godaddy as my hosting provider and have 5 websites and the BB served on it for only $300/yr.

They also practice what is called "dirty deleting" by removing the whole thread which may contain a lot of thoughtful and beneficial posts that members spent considerable time and thought writing along with the few "offending" posts in the thread... Just plain lazy...

I have become very disappointed with the current status of the methownet BB as a local resource... :-(
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Did you say you had talked to them about moderating? They may not want to pay someone to constantly moderate. It sounds like they check on it every now and then. So someone is doing some other job and then checks in?
As I said, it is not a BB anymore that hosts just any kind of subject matter.
I mean, I guess I troll too. I go on, to see what's new, what's for sale, public announcements. Then if a subject catches my eye, like the housing issue, I comment, because that's an interest. Is that trolling? Guess I should look up the definition.
So for those of you that have been kicked off, do you feel it's an injustice? Or could they have given you a warning?
The way I see it, since I don't have much self discipline, if I got kicked off, it would free me up from making comments! Ha.
Discussions of subjects are needed. People can only write so many letters to the editor. Again this BB lets people raise a question and it's ok if it's controversial. And misinformation is countered here with correct info, if that info is correct!
I've disagreed with posts and people on here as you know, but no one has ever been abusive like they were on the other BB, which I decided to put a stop to.
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PAL wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:30 pm I only lodged one complaint as the post was attacking me personally, badly and just rattling things off about me. April said they want to know about abuse. I sure hope that person doesn't come to this BB. It would ruin it for me as they seemed to be out to get me. I looked them up and he, yes, it was a he, gave me the creeps. Google and evil FB do pop up info on a person, if you want to know about them and they happen to do FB.
I don't go through the other BB looking for posts to complain about.
I know, the housing one showed up again. How can anyone complain about it, but when they took it down, I don't think it was getting contentious...yet.
I noticed that they let the one Little Red Rooster post go by. He said for Kyle to "Walk boy walk" and someone else responded an opposite reply, but it got buried.
As you say Chris it will be interesting to see how fast or if it does come down. Oh, I think it will. Maybe they are starting to moderate it and I'm wrong about people complaining.
I don't see any indication, that there is active moderation by the BB staff, especially when as you say, that one snarky post stayed up.

Looks like the duplicate thread on affordable housing was removed and the only one that remains is Andy's thread with his one comment encouraging people to comment to the appropriate organization.

So that one stays but the others removed doesn't make sense.

Why remove a whole thread because of a few bad actors?

Why not just remove the offending post and ban the offender after a set number of infractions, like three strikes you're out?

But what it boils down to is that Methownet isn't doing their duty running a forum in a small community.

Perhaps they just need a few volunteer moderators.


"A forum moderator oversees the communication activity of an Internet forum. He monitors the interchange of contributors and makes decisions regarding content and the direction of threads. Moving discussions from one section to another to keep topics organized is also a common job for a forum moderator."

"As a moderator, your duties involve providing discussion topics, encouraging participants to share, removing unrelated or inappropriate content, answering questions, defining group boundaries and rules, and updating the platform. You also have the authority to decide what information is approved or removed."
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PAL... I will watch and moderate any significant bullying on this BB... Members can also alert me... :-)
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I only lodged one complaint as the post was attacking me personally, badly and just rattling things off about me. April said they want to know about abuse. I sure hope that person doesn't come to this BB. It would ruin it for me as they seemed to be out to get me. I looked them up and he, yes, it was a he, gave me the creeps. Google and evil FB do pop up info on a person, if you want to know about them and they happen to do FB.
I don't go through the other BB looking for posts to complain about.
I know, the housing one showed up again. How can anyone complain about it, but when they took it down, I don't think it was getting contentious...yet.
I noticed that they let the one Little Red Rooster post go by. He said for Kyle to "Walk boy walk" and someone else responded an opposite reply, but it got buried.
As you say Chris it will be interesting to see how fast or if it does come down. Oh, I think it will. Maybe they are starting to moderate it and I'm wrong about people complaining.
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