RIP Charlie Kirk

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Trump is now in the 4th stage of grief over Charlie Kirk's murder. Who knew the 4th stage was construction?
https://variety.com/2025/tv/columns/jim ... 236522731/

[mister_coffee]

I don't think we need lecture from Ari Fleischer about accurate commentary in the public sphere. Remember this was the same guy who was telling tales about Weapons Of Mass Destruction in Iraq in 2003.

Also, apparently only libs really care about free speech. Cons only care about their speech.

And just recently at CPAC 2025:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPq3WxxC0P4

The left wanted to make comedy illegal you know like you can't make fun of anything

[just-jim]

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Out of context, Jingles.

Yeah…when you get all your news from one source….you tend NOT to hear the goons in our current Government and all the shills on right-wing saying the same things.
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Out of context, Jingles.

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Barack Obama:
https://scontent-sea5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=68D10513

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Yes off topic from original topic but was changed by others

Seems strange that D's here are saying it is the Right that is dividing the country and "inciting violence" yet the only ones you see on the steps of the Capitol are Democrat Senators an Representatives proclaiming "we are at war and must fight fight, fight" Schumer, Pelosi Waters, Jefferies.

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Wall Street Journey Editorial Board: Pam Bondi needs a Free Speech Tutorial

"Is a basic understanding of the First Amendment too much to expect from the nation’s Attorney General? Progressives have spent years trying to create and define a category called “hate speech.” This misunderstanding of the First Amendment seems to have infiltrated the D.C. water supply because AG Pam Bondi repeated it Monday in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination.

Discussing Kirk’s work on college campuses, Ms. Bondi mentioned the “disgusting” antisemitism on display at many universities, and so far so good. But wait. “There’s free speech and then there’s hate speech, and there is no place—especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie, in our society,” the country’s top law enforcer told a podcast. “We will absolutely target you, go after you, if you are targeting anyone with hate speech.”

Kirk would want a word. “My position is that even hate speech should be completely and totally allowed in our country. The most disgusting speech should absolutely be protected,” he once told a crowd. “The ACLU used to hold this viewpoint. The American Civil Liberties Union, they sued so that legitimate Nazis could march through downtown Skokie.”

Why? “As soon as you use the word ‘hate,’ that is a very subjective term,” Kirk said, in a video posted by his group in 2020. “Then all of a sudden it is in the eyes, or it is in the implementation, of whomever has the power.”

He was right, as governments around the world are proving almost daily. Armed British police recently arrested Graham Linehan, a TV sitcom writer, and reportedly questioned him about his posts on the internet, including one that read: “If a trans-identified male is in a female-only space, he is committing a violent, abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops and if all else fails, punch him in the balls.” He says it was a joke, and it’s stupid, but criminal?

Mark Rowley, London’s police commissioner, said there was “reasonable grounds to believe an offence had been committed,” since British law “dictates that a threat to punch someone from a protected group could be an offence.”

Yet he went on to criticize the government for giving police “no choice but to record such incidents as crimes when they’re reported,” adding: “I don’t believe we should be policing toxic culture wars debates and officers are currently in an impossible position.”

In an appearance this year at the Oxford Union, Kirk told British listeners: “Free speech is a birthright that you gave us, and you guys decided not to codify it, and now it’s—poof—it’s basically gone.” In other words, thank goodness for the First Amendment.

Free speech isn’t absolute in the U.S., but the exceptions are narrow, and “hate speech” isn’t one of them. The Supreme Court held in a famous 1969 case, Brandenburg v. Ohio, that the government can punish speech as incitement only if it’s directed toward, and likely to produce, “imminent lawless action.” General expressions of hate on the internet are despicable, but they aren’t cause for prosecution.

Ms. Bondi tried Tuesday morning to clean up her mess, writing on social media: “Hate speech that crosses the line into threats of violence is NOT protected by the First Amendment.” But then she incoherently mixed in everything from “violent rhetoric,” to doxxing, to calling a SWAT team to the home of a Member of Congress. The AG also didn’t recant her statement on Monday that the Justice Department might “prosecute” Office Depot or its ex-employee who refused to print a Kirk vigil poster.

Ms. Bondi hasn’t had a distinguished tenure as AG, as she too often seems to follow the latest social-media, cable-TV mood swing. But she is a law enforcer, not a social-media anger management coach, and she’s sworn to uphold the Constitution.

Maybe Ms. Bondi should quit appearing on podcasts about Charlie Kirk until she listens to some Charlie Kirk podcasts."

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Trump's admin just deleted a National Institute of Justice study from the websites. The study concluded that domestic terrorism is largely right wing.
https://scontent-sea5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=68D0B2BB

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Into the mix we now have AI Jesus
https://www.litnet.co.za/artificial-int ... ory-study/

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All those quotes by Charlie were indeed what he believed. Those are just his opinions one could say, but younger people looked to him. He was an influencer, a powerful one. So if they go along with Charlie's beliefs and slurs, what does that say about them.
I don't think I am radical to disagree strongly with Mr. Kirk. I believe he should not have been killed. It just made things much worse all around.
Violence is condoned by this administration, remember. Jan. 6th happened!

[mister_coffee]

This guy says it better than I ever could:

https://medium.com/@dylan_combellick/ch ... 242488e80e

[mister_coffee]

And its McCarthyism, 2.0

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/9/1 ... irks-death

I'd point out that doxxing is both a federal and a state crime and here in Washington State you can also sue.

So the "Charlie Kirk Data Foundation" is going to be cleaned out in short order.

Ken and Vern should be compliant little snitches and report me to those sites for not being sufficiently sad that Charlie Kirk was killed. I consider it a badge of honor to be marked by these goons.

[just-jim]

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I did NOT say that! Do NOT put words in my mouth.

I post Charlie’s own words…and THOSE upset you?

That is, indeed, telling!.
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[dorankj]

So, you relentless gutter rat, he DESERVED to be assassinated?! Don't bother answering, I have ZERO interest in your disgusting, hateful, sleazeball rantings. GFY

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I’ll post this - again.

In case you couldn’t UNDERSTAND it the First TIME, kenny… HERE IS WHAT THIS FASCIST RACIST MISOGYNISTIC PIECE of HUMAN SH+T liked to say:

If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because affirmative action?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024

If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.
– Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025

The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.
– Responding to a question about whether he would support his 10-year-old daughter aborting a pregnancy conceived because of rape on the debate show Surrounded, published on 8 September 2024

We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 April 2024

I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023

America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 22 August 2025

The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024

The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024

America has freedom of religion, of course, but we should be frank: large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 30 April 2025

We’ve been warning about the rise of Islam on the show, to great amount of backlash. We don’t care, that’s what we do here. And we said that Islam is not compatible with western civilization.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 24 June 2025

Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.
– Charlie Kirk social media post, 8 September 2025

There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication, it’s a fiction, it’s not in the constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 6 July 2022”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... es-beliefs

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[dorankj]

All he was doing was quoting accurately and looking to live in submission to the Bible (God) and His word (teachings). If you can't listen to his widow's heartfelt and fervent message to everyone and still blame Charlie you are really quite clueless. But you show that when you turn to both racialize and blame a depraved sick individual NOT for the murder but for how 'they' all oppress women! The killer was radicalized by this twisted and confused leftist crazed ideology and demonization of those they can't debate or dare I say 'tolerate'. My main point was to say with the official indictment and reports today MY take on the matter was nearly spot on and you crazy conspiracy theory lunatics were wrong but that's not really news and I'm sure you'll just freak out triple down and continue your unrelenting politically ideological drivel only EVER accepting information you already agree with.

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That's all that matters, isn't, who is wrong and who is right? It's a symptom of the system. Young white males have a problem or someone has made it up for them. Poor guys. Who do they turn to? It's best they pull their heads out and do some introspection and figure out how they want to be. Do they want to oppress? Probably. Are they pissed at women? I recall we women fighting back in the 70's plus, for our rights. We want to keep those rights, and the boys want to take them away.
Charlie talked about "submission" by women. His wife said they talked about it, how he would treat her so good and do all in his power to love her and cherish her. I think he and she were using the wrong word. It is devotion-to the one you love, EQUALLY! She said that "submisson" caused a firey response. Yeah, because they didn't use the right word.
And Prove me Wrong- That's the narrow minded stance that a person believes they are already right about everything, because they know best, what's best for everyone.

[dorankj]

In regards to Charlie Kirk and by the killers OWN words in text and deed.

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hahahahahaha, indeed it does explain who was right.

[dorankj]

Well that should pretty well answer who (once again) was right!

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From Kirk's Turning Point Wiki page I find that Gini Thomas/aka as the wife of Justice Clarence Thomas has been on the advisory board. He had some pretty heft $donors.
In May 2012, 18-year-old Charlie Kirk gave a speech at Benedictine University's Youth Government Day.[20] Impressed, retired marketing entrepreneur and Tea Party activist Bill Montgomery encouraged Kirk to postpone college and engage full-time in political activism. A month later, the day after Kirk graduated from high school, they launched Turning Point USA, a section 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization.[21][22][23] Montgomery became Kirk's mentor, and worked behind the scenes handling the paperwork for the organization.[24] Montgomery often described himself as the group's co-founder, although it was not an official recognition by the group or Kirk.[21]

At the 2012 Republican National Convention, Kirk met Foster Friess, a Republican donor, and persuaded him to finance the organization.[24][25] Friess also served on the organization's advisory council, alongside Ginni Thomas, wife of U.S. Supreme Court justice Clarence Thomas.[26] Barry Russell, president and CEO of the Independent Petroleum Association of America (IPAA), is a key advisor.[

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Along similar lines, I thought this was interesting, a 20 year old young man explains to his mom why

"I’m kind of done posting about Charlie Kirk and his death.
But since I have two sons who are 20-something white straight guys who play video games, I thought I’d give their take, for the rest of us who aren’t in our 20s and don’t play video games online.
The inscriptions on the bullets are from a video game, “Helldivers.”
I’m a big sci-fi fan, and I loved Heinlein growing up, so “Starship Troopers” was a short story and movie that mystified me: To me, it was clear that it was an anti-fascist satire, but apparently real fascists embrace it and love it.
So, as one son explained it to me:
“The “Helldivers” game is like “Starship Troopers,” where you’re in a fascist empire that has a special uber-mensch class who are the only defenders of democracy.
“It’s very obviously a satire of American imperialism and fascism, because you’re invading sentient bugs for oil, and enslaving them in oil production camps, and enslaving sentient communist robots who rebelled.
“You’re basically fighting anti-American sentiment internationally.
“It’s clear satire, but it’s fun to fight as a fascist because you’re killing aliens who are awful. It works on both levels: Fascists love it, and anti-fascists love it, and they’re making money from everyone.
“You yell “For Democracy” and kill insurgents who want freedom, but there’s no democracy, because it’s a controlled state.”
So, given that, what does the Charlie Kirk shooter stand for?
From my 25-year-old video-game-playing, white, history-major meme guy:
“The shooter thought Charlie Kirk was a fascist. He put it on a bullet. He might think Kirk is a fascist because the shooter is so left-wing, or because the shooter is so right-wing.
“It’s horseshoe theory — both sides have become so radicalized that the shooter could be on either side — there’s no distinction right now because they’re both trying to take down the government, and they both claim to be anti-fascist freedom fighters.
“Two of the memes on the bullets are anti-fascist, two are weird because they’re homophobic.
“They’re homophobic memes used by right-wingers — 4chan memes that have spread into right-wing circles.
“It feels like intentionally a “haha I did it for the lulz”. It’s a nihilistic, “I like Helldivers, I think this guy is a fascist, so I killed him.”
“It’s not that deep. He’s suicidal and depressed and there’s no real future for young white guys. He wanted to kill someone to leave a mark on the world.
“Anyone claiming him or rejecting him as one of their own is missing the point: He’s every 20-something white guy. Even me. We all fantasize about being the hero and taking out the bad guys.
“That’s the whole point of video games. So he saw Charlie Kirk as a bad guy because Kirk wanted the Epstein files released and was anti-Trump.
“Or he saw Charlie Kirk as a bad guy because he was pro-Trump. Doesn’t really matter why, does it?
“What matters is that there’s a whole generation of people who have grown up believing that a bullet with the bad guy’s name on it is the only way to change things.
“And they’re being proven right every day, and they’re changing things. Things have changed since yesterday, haven’t they?” M. McGovern