PAL wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:25 am
David, you will have to show or bring up the stats that show that the mRNA vaccine is not that experimental. This type of vaccine has been worked on in the past.
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There were human trials of an mRNA vaccine (for rabies) in 2017. I can't find the reference right off the top of my laptop but I believe there were human trials of an mRNA vaccine for skin cancer in 2013:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/a ... ct/2665756
There have been literally
decades of research on mRNA vaccines. A big part of the reason the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were available so quickly is that a lot of the pieces had been put in place to make that happen over a decade ago:
https://www.uab.edu/news/youcanuse/item ... ly-be-safe
So in no way are the mRNA vaccines "experimental". They both have completed Phase I, Phase II, and Phase III trials which are bluntly the really important parts of the approval process, because they determine both safety and efficacy. And we all need to keep in mind how astonishingly rare it is for any medication (or vaccine) to be this effective on the first try. Usually there is quite a bit of iteration in the research process to figure out the optimum dosage and treatment regimen to get to that level of effectiveness. So in one way we are incredibly lucky.
It is also important to keep in mind that the Phase III cohort got their first shots about a year ago, and that they are still being closely watched. So if there are any kind of serious side effects or even as we begin to understand how immunity from the vaccine decreases over time they are still six months ahead of me.
PAL wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:25 am
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Is it bad behavior? Maybe a different word or phrase. It's not "good" behavior is it, to spread a very contagious, deadly disease for some, and for some with long term health problems? It's unconscionable, is what it is. It's lacking thinking of other members of society.
Now if those unvaccinated would mask, ok, but you know what? Many aren't.
The earth is overpopulated, so maybe we shouldn't vaccinate. Many more morgues would have to be built.
I'm sorry, but if you knowingly spread a disease like HIV or tuberculosis you will be thrown in jail. I am uncomprehending of how spreading a disease like COVID would not be considered repulsive and foul, if not criminal.
I think that a reasonable person might have questioned the vaccines and want to wait in March or April. By June or July enough information had came in that most any reasonable person could make a good decision. Saying you "need to know more" in July really means you are just rationalizing that you don't want to take the vaccine but don't want to sound like a nutjob.
A comment about information and information sources. There are a lot of sources out there, both good and bad. We live in a free society and it is on each of us to make our personal decisions based on the best information possible. And in this case it isn't like the very best information is being kept from us: nearly all scientific papers (both the very good and the very bad) have been made publicly available at no cost. Most of us need to rely on proxies: and there are both good and bad proxies. A good proxy might be your family doctor, or it might be a friend or relative who works in the medical field (perhaps as a Nurse or PA). A bad proxy might be a Facebook Friend who sends you links to articles.
Amongst the Bad Information being distributed about the vaccines are:
- The vaccines contain a microchip.
- The vaccines alter your DNA.
- The vaccines turn you into a monkey.
- Vaccinated people "shed" the virus and can sicken others.
Now all of those aren't just Bad Information, they are
Really Bad Information. One would think that a reasonable person would want to check them out thoroughly before using information like that to make a potentially life-altering health care decision.
And all you'd need to do to check it out is to call your doctor and listen to their advice. And if other anti-vaccine information that sounded less unreasonable than the above four claims were mixed in whatever article I was reading I would be more skeptical of that information as well. Just because the source was so obviously polluted with insanity and inanity.
I know with a great deal of certainty that the vast majority of the people who are refusing the vaccine have never called a doctor's office to ask them what they thought and what their (the doctor's) advice would be. That information is literally a phone call away and they just won't make the call. So in my view it is on them.