Project 2025

[PAL]

Ken, have you read the book or exerpts? It is a real book, written by those that Trump knows, and he is lying when he says he knows nothing about it. He mentions it in a 2022 video.
What are you afraid of. Telling us to stop this ridiculouness. Why don't you stop. Stop your clining to an insurrectionist, a convicted felon. A man of low moral character unless you wish to emulate him.
You lost Dist. 6 for a reason.

[dorankj]

So ridiculous! Stop the nonsense.

[PAL]

You'd have to get a copy of the book, to know what they really mean by that. Maybe we should have our local library order it. I think I could have downloaded it, but 900 pages on my computer would sink it.
I'm interested in the contraception aspect of it. No rubbers? No pill? Really? BTW, we know mifepristone is not a form of birth control. This is the reason to read the book unless there are word for word exerpts taken out of it.
14th amendment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthrigh ... ted_States

[mister_coffee]

One other particular kooky piece of their 2024 political platform is a promise to "end birthright citizenship."

WTF does that mean, exactly?

If you end birthright citizenship, who is left here?

I doubt any of us on this board actually took an oath of citizenship at any point in time, and our only claim to be a US citizen is because we were born here.

The only interpretations possible are:

1. They are dumber than mud fence.
2. This is going to be used as an excuse to forcibly deport anybody they decide they don't like.

[Rideback]

As the church teaches, hate the actions not the person. So yes, I hated Cheney for his actions, still do. Liz Cheney did the honorable thing in investigating Trump and shedding light on his crimes. That doesn't mean I agree with her politics or that I love her.

[dorankj]

See! They simply refuse facts they know make their POV wrong. The ghost writer said he saw the documents and then deleted his history.

[Rideback]

Biden didn't show them to his ghost writer. He didn't hide them or withhold them from the Nat'l archives.

[Jingles]

Jingles, very true. And that's why the special prosecutor did and investigation and made a public report. But there is still a giant difference between the situations. Obstruction is one of the major charges against Trump as well as charges under the Espionage Act. It was demonstrated by court docs that in multiple cases Trump showed docs to people who did not have security clearances, he talked about the content to people he was trying to impress...none of which Biden did. Trump broke the laws of the Espionage Act, repeatedly.

Showed them to people that were not or have a security clearance to view them like Biden did to his ghost writer

[PAL]

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... ly-12-2024

And this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1pTACl

[Rideback]

Jingles, very true. And that's why the special prosecutor did and investigation and made a public report. But there is still a giant difference between the situations. Obstruction is one of the major charges against Trump as well as charges under the Espionage Act. It was demonstrated by court docs that in multiple cases Trump showed docs to people who did not have security clearances, he talked about the content to people he was trying to impress...none of which Biden did. Trump broke the laws of the Espionage Act, repeatedly.

[Jingles]

Jingles, the classified docs were just that classified, and even Trump's team has given up on the claim that Trump could declassify 'just by thinking' about it. There were no marks, no records of declassification. The nuclear Top Secret docs occupy a different method of declassification as well, they CANNOT be declassified by a president alone. Trump took the docs after he left office, he refused the normal procedure of turning over docs to the Nat'l Archives repeated so that they finally called in the DoJ to get the missing docs turned over. Trump lied about them, he hid them repeatedly by moving them around, he kept them next to his bed, in a closet, in a bathroom and then had Walt Nauta put his favorites in a SUV and driving to his jet where they flew to NJ.

The difference is that the wrongdoing Biden was accused of was remedied by his compliance with DoJ and the FBI who retrieved the docs. The docs found had already been declassified and none were nuclear national security items.

There is no equivalence between the two situations and if you read the charging docs the level of obstruction and wrongdoing on Trump's part is so over the top it strains even the most creative excuses.

Just because when he got caught with the documents in his garage and he complied? with DOJ and the FBI does not excuse the fact that as a Senator or Vice President he did not have the authority to remove and have the documents outside security areas.

[PAL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXCBFUEXKY

[PAL]

Weeelll, maybe they want all of us radical, fascists leftists to burn up, become crispy critters. Aw, just jokin.
They have no idea what they are doing or talking about. I bet not one of the drafters have even set foot in the forests and lands out here.

Another thing in the 2025 Project is that they want to deport, children, who were born here. If their parents came in illegally or illegally. There will be profiling big time.
Our hispanic community here could be in jeopardy.

[mister_coffee]

Another deranged BS aspect of Project 2025 is the proposal to "Solve the housing crisis by selling government land".

This is 100 percent a grift.

The big problem is that most "government land" is in the West and most of the desirable and accessible land is in Wildland-Urban Interface and very prone to wildfires. As well all know. And as we all know it is getting progressively more difficult to insure homes in such locations. So how does it address affordability and availability of housing by having homes you can't insure? Note that you cannot get a home loan without insurance.

One other problem is that most such land is far from the jobs. It doesn't matter how cheap the property is if you can't find work there. It might (or might not) be a heck of a deal if you can do remote work, but for most people that isn't going to help much. And most people who are in a position to negotiate for remote work are pretty well compensated already and already can afford expensive homes in expensive cities.

The third problem is that no matter how much land you make available, you still need somebody to build the homes. And in most remote areas you have poor and limited choices on contractors and subcontractors which makes your construction costs much more expensive.

https://coloradonewsline.com/2024/07/09 ... lic-lands/

[Rideback]

The realist in me follows the court docs, the only real question is why don't you?

[dorankj]

See Jingles, if they say their cherry picked data and ignored data about their guy is the only acceptable POV it’s just over, they will accept nothing else. Then they’ll demand you provide “evidence” then say those sources are ridiculous and unacceptable, it’s quite a little game they play!

[just-jim]

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You’re really weird, what you fixate on!

And…whoooooosh….once again, the point of a common meme is lost on the illiterate.
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[Rideback]

Jingles, the classified docs were just that classified, and even Trump's team has given up on the claim that Trump could declassify 'just by thinking' about it. There were no marks, no records of declassification. The nuclear Top Secret docs occupy a different method of declassification as well, they CANNOT be declassified by a president alone. Trump took the docs after he left office, he refused the normal procedure of turning over docs to the Nat'l Archives repeated so that they finally called in the DoJ to get the missing docs turned over. Trump lied about them, he hid them repeatedly by moving them around, he kept them next to his bed, in a closet, in a bathroom and then had Walt Nauta put his favorites in a SUV and driving to his jet where they flew to NJ.

The difference is that the wrongdoing Biden was accused of was remedied by his compliance with DoJ and the FBI who retrieved the docs. The docs found had already been declassified and none were nuclear national security items.

There is no equivalence between the two situations and if you read the charging docs the level of obstruction and wrongdoing on Trump's part is so over the top it strains even the most creative excuses.

[dorankj]

You’re really weird, what you fixate on!

[just-jim]

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[dorankj]

Exactly Jingles! We aren’t dealing with honest people here.

[dorankj]

But no issues with Biden doing far more? Such a complete partisan hypocrite!

[Jingles]

I find it kind of hypocritical that some keep bringing up that Trump "stole classified documents as President" which as President had the legal authority to declassify documents, however they don't mention or even acknowledge that Biden took classified documents as a Senator and Vice President, who DOES NOT have authority, in either position, to either declassify or take classified documents, but because he is a senile old man escapes due prosecution.

[Rideback]

Ken, Trump indeed made major moves to weaponize the DoJ while he was in his first term. Look at the pressure he put on his AG Bill Barr to back his conspiracy theories and when Barr refused he was shown the door. Look at wanna be AG Jeff Clark's role where he wanted to implement the Fake Electors' scheme and all the DoJ leaders said they would quit if he was appointed, look at John Eastman's role in creating the Fake Electors' scheme. So yes, he did make moves to weaponize his DoJ and with the 2025 plan he will have a blueprint to become the unitary executive. Google it.

As to the Intel community, yes he did indeed effort to destroy their credibility (remember him talking to the media at Helsinki?) and as his semi final act he stole classified docs from the Intel community and refused to return them to their rightful owner. He took those docs that held national security secrets, including nuclear capabilities, and left them lying in boxes next to his bed, in his bathroom and on a stage at Mar a Lago. So yes, he's done quite a bit to our national security.

As to martial law, yes, he did hold meetings to discuss using martial law that became so heated that even Rudy Giuliani objected at the over reach.

No doubt, the 2025 project is aimed at giving him the power next time round. Read it.

[PAL]

Well yeah, as Trump would say it never would have happened if he had been President.
Nope it still would have been messy. That's war. I never served, have you?